Letting new ideas come, imagining beyond current forms, and the ego of technology billionaires

Frederic describes what he has been playing with: rather than visualization, which he finds boring because it involves forcing and obligation, he lets new ideas come, sees what arrives and follows it.

The Wonders endorse this - dream, imagine, open yourself to the non-physical and see where it leads; it will eventually translate into the physical, but in the meantime anything is possible.

Applied to his car, instead of imagining a car he could imagine a mode of transportation that takes him from A to B at will: maybe four wheels, maybe two, three or eight, maybe it does not use a road, maybe it flies, maybe eventually teleportation.

For now he settles for a car without forgetting the dream.

They cite the electric car as something imagined long before it existed, noting that Henry Ford built an electric-engined car before his gasoline one, but industry saw profit in gasoline rather than electricity, and that a century later battery systems are only beginning and will change dramatically over the next 60 to 70 years.

Frederic mentions charging as the remaining issue, and the Wonders trace the history of electricity generation from hydro to coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear, then raise the question of what happens to spent nuclear fuel rods, of which millions are stored: there is enough energy left in them that, devised properly and thought about outside the box, they could power a mode of transportation, and some people are already working on it.

Those working on it now are trying to save the planet rather than make a profit; once others see profit in buying spent nuclear fuel, the technology will take off.

Frederic recalls someone thinking about this twenty years ago with different motivations, and asks about Elon Musk.

The Wonders say Musk started out looking at doing things more easily but has become so involved in his ego that now he cares mainly about money; he is a brilliant mind whose personality has devolved into ego to the point where he sees himself as capable only of what he is doing now.

They characterize the Twitter affair as him deliberately creating chaos in order to get something he wants, a technique learned from watching other billionaires who know that profit comes out of chaos, while also drawing attention away from his favourite projects such as Tesla and SpaceX; out of that chaos he will find something else to work with, positioning himself as he has long done.

They say Jeff Bezos is the same.

Frederic concludes that human nature persists regardless of wealth, and they agree that there is always an ego involved.